Trial Tuesday: Jaye: Assigned to Seduce Vanguard

In General

By Dianne Lipson

After Nicole’s cross examination was concluded on Monday, Jaye took the stand. She continued on Tuesday.

Jaye is 29 years old. She grew up in Southern California. She was an actress and model.

She took the 5-day Nxivm intensive and enjoyed it. And on a walk with India Oxenberg, she was told about a women’s-only secret society that would build character.

Jaye was excited about the chance at what was described as a mentoring program to make her into a “badass woman”.

She gave HER first collateral to learn about the secret group known as DOS.

Jaye joined DOS.

Among her collateral [she was to give more subsequently] was a video where Jaye indicated she’d been molested by her uncle. This was, in fact, true. She testified she had been molested and was still recovering from her childhood sexual abuse.

Jaye’s parents, she testified, were drug addicts when she was young. Her mother and father were both arrested and imprisoned. Jaye was raised by grandparents.

At first, Jaye thought India was going to merely be her mentor, but after joining DOS, India informed her that she was to be her slave master.

At some point, Jaye came to Albany where she met Keith Raniere at a volleyball game.  She was emotional at the sight of him and gushed at how inspiring he and the Nxivm teachings were.

Jaye wanted to develop a T-shirt business with Raniere-inspired slogans. Keith was interested.

India and her own master, Allison Mack, told Jaye she should move from California to Albany. She was making good money modeling in LA, but she came to Albany anyway.

She was encouraged by India to develop a learning relationship with Keith.  Keith took an interest in her too.

This attractive young lady, slender, a model, was considered remarkably lucky to have Keith, the wondrous mentor, take an interest in her [as a mentor] so early in her involvement in Nxivm.

In retrospect, Jaye testified, she realized she was being groomed to be his sex slave.

She was told then that the purpose of the monthly collateral [she did not know Raniere was involved at the time] was to make her bond with DOS and with her master.

Now, she believes it was simply blackmail.

There were assignments from India, “acts of care” and “acts of self-denial”. Readiness drills. Cold showers. Standing for 30 minutes in the middle of the night.  One of Jaye’s punishments was to keep a journal of her failures.

Jaye hoped Allison would help her learn about the acting business. But she went from thinking that Allison was a good person, to later believing Allison was vindictive, hurtful, and manipulative.

As a member of DOS, Jaye was expected to recruit slaves.

Jaye actually recruited a model named Val.

Val got admitted into DOS quickly. Allison personally looked after her.

Allison asked her to think about developing an app to do mass recruitment into DOS. [Some people would not necessarily have to make life-long commitments]. It was Consumer’s Buyline [with blackmail and branding]  – the more people in DOS, the more buying power they would have.

Jaye was told that her commitment would require a small tattoo. She never thought it would be a brand, with Keith’s initials.

At one point, she had to fill out a lengthy questionnaire about her sexual preferences.

At volleyball, during breaks in the action, [Keith was playing], there would be a line of people waiting to talk to him.

One day she attended volleyball without a bra and Allison scolded her for that, saying the older women were offended.

Jaye observed that everyone kissed Keith on the lips — including the men. People would give him gifts of chocolate, candy, fruit and other items.

At one volleyball event, Keith came up to her and drew a circle with his finger around her bellybutton.

Because Jaye had been sexually abused, she was upset by this.  At volleyball, Jaye said she believes she was on display for Keith.

But, Keith was showing a marked interest in helping her, he said. Teaching her.

He took her on walks and say, “Do you know that you’re special?”

Jaye was told by Allison and India how lucky she was to have this great guru taking an interest in her.

After Jaye moved to Albany, she got permission to get access to the Dropbox which contained some of Allison’s slave pod’s collateral. Seeing this, Jaye was concerned that the collateral wasn’t as safe and secure as she was told. She saw other women’s collateral and realized she wasn’t alone in being a slave.

As part of her commands, Jaye was ordered to go on low-calorie diets. First, it was 1000, then 800, then 500-600 calories a day.  She had to measure and weigh each item of food and send pictures of the food first to get permission to eat it before she was allowed to consume it.

She had to take a 3-minute cold shower each morning. She observed that all the slaves she knew of were on a diet, and sleep deprived. Everyone, she thought, looked unhealthy.

She learned that Keith [for scientific and ethical reasons] preferred women not to shave their pubic hair. Keith said grooming was propaganda from the porn industry and violence against women.

An Assignment to Seduce Keith

She was told it was an honor and a privilege. That both Allison and India had done this fortunate act before. Jaye was assigned to seduce Keith and have him take a naked picture of her to prove she had accomplished her assignment.

Jaye was told that only the most privileged of all women ever got this happy assignment.

Jaye did not feel special. She said it was her worst nightmare. She realized this was a cult, and that they were going to force her to sleep with someone. She was told this would help with her sex abuse issues.

She was also told that Keith wasn’t involved in DOS.

Allison told Jaye that she must seduce Keith subtly [as if he did not know this was planned with Allison] but Allison added kindly to Jaye, “And I give you permission to enjoy it.”

What was Jaye thinking about Allison when she was ordered to seduce Keith?

“You fucking bitch” was her thought, she testified.

Allison was re-traumatizing her.  And clearly Jaye did not want to do this obscene act, but she pretended she would do it. From this moment on, she planned to escape DOS.

[Now what would prevent a woman from simply refusing and saying no? You guessed it: Collateral.]

Jaye was thinking about her collateral. What would they do with it if she refused to seduce Keith and leave?

After hearing her order to seduce Keith, Jaye felt the whole room was spinning. She almost blacked out.

She started Googling and found a website [Frank Report?] describing Keith having a “harem.”

Jaye even asked India – what it was like – she asked India about her experience seducing Keith.

India said that Jaye should have her own unique experience, but India said that Keith was incredibly fit and that sex with him was amazing.

Jaye knew she needed to get out of Albany. But she had to play along for a while.

She devised an idea. She had permission from her DOS masters to go on a family trip. Before she left, she went into the Dropbox account and took screenshots of all the collateral. She took copies of the collateral in the Dropbox. She did this in order to protect herself in case the DOS folks tried to blackmail her.

If she failed in her assignment to seduce Keith Alan Raniere, she thought her collateral would be released. She felt trapped. But with the other women’s collateral: [Dr. Danielle Roberts, Michelle Hatchette, Nicole’s and others in Allison’s slave pod – she could have a little reverse blackmail of her own.]

Jaye went on her family vacation. Afterward, she claimed her grandmother in California was ill and she needed to stay out there for a time and not go back to Albany.

She started doing less and less DOS work.

But Allison still had her car. Jaye hoped to just walk away from DOS.  India said this was a lifetime commitment.

Allison said Jaye needed to meet with her.

Allison said, “You can do this [DOS] as hard or easy as you want. We just want to help you.”

Jaye told her to “Just back off.”

Allison said, “I feel like I failed you.”

Jaye said,  “It’s nothing personal, but you’re ‘entitled to feel that way’ (throwing the DOS lingo back at Allison).

Jaye did manage to get her car back. Allison gave her the keys but did not tell her where the car was. Jaye had to find it herself.

Jaye told Allison she had Googled Keith and search results showed a story [stories] that Keith was a pedophile [The Albany Times Union reported it first in 2012. Frank Report also had numerous stories on pedo-Keith starting in 2015].

Allison was upset. She said, ”Do you think I would follow a child molester?”

Saved From Branding

Jaye had gotten Val in DOS and she asked Val to go on a hike. During that hike, Catherine Oxenberg and Bonnie Piesse (Mark Vicente’s wife) called.

Bonnie warned her: Don’t go to the branding ceremony coming up.

Catherine warned her to get out of Albany.

Jaye decided she had to get out of the cult. She made peace with the fact that it could mean her collateral would be released. Going was more important. She accepted the fact that it could happen.

She sent the collateral of the other women she had to her ex-boyfriend. She told him to store it safely but not to look at it. [It might come in handy – and it did – for it ultimately was given to law enforcement.]

Soon after Jaye left, she got a threatening letter from an attorney from Mexico. It was in Spanish with an English translation. The letter warned her that she was facing “criminal responsibility”.

As it turned out, Jaye’s collateral was not released.

Prosecutor: Would you have provided DOS collateral if you knew Keith was in charge?

Jaye: No.

 

Stay tuned for Jaye’s cross-examination. 

 

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56 commentsOn Trial Tuesday: Jaye: Assigned to Seduce Vanguard

  • “Allison told Jaye that she must seduce Keith subtly [as if he did not know this was planned with Allison] but Allison added kindly to Jaye, “And I give you permission to enjoy it.”
    What was Jaye thinking about Allison when she was ordered to seduce Keith?
    was her thought, she testified.”

    Shadow State’s Comment:
    Is there now anyone who doubts that Allison Mack is a PIMP?
    “You fucking bitch” SHOULD BE THE EPITAPH ON ALLISON MACK’S TOMBSTONE.
    ————-
    ” She (Jaye) realized this was a cult, and that they were going to force her to sleep with someone. She was told this would help with her sex abuse issues.”

    Shadow State’s Comment:
    Jaye’s old memories of abuse will be layered under new memories of abuse by Vanguard Raniere and Pimp Mack.
    ———————
    “Jaye observed that everyone kissed Keith on the lips — including the men. People would give him gifts of chocolate, candy, fruit and other items..”

    Shadow State’s response:
    Is Keith Raniere Bisexual or a Lesbian trapped in a man’s body?
    ————————–
    “Jaye hoped Allison would help her learn about the acting business. But she went from thinking that Allison was a good person, to later believing Allison was vindictive, hurtful, and manipulative.”
    “Jaye told Allison she had googled Keith and search results showed a story [stories] that Keith was a pedophile [The Albany Times Union reported it first in 2012. Frank Report also had numerous stories on pedo-Keith starting in 2015].
    Allison was upset. She said, ”Do you think I would follow a child molester?”

    Shadow State’s Response:
    Maybe Allison Mack still had not heard of Google or the dozen other free search engines available on the internet.
    ROTFLMAO
    ————————————————-
    “But Allison still had her car. Jaye hoped to just walk away from DOS. India said this was a lifetime commitment.
    Allison said Jaye needed to meet with her.
    Allison said, “you can do this [DOS] as hard or easy as you want. We just want to help you.”
    Jaye told her to “just back off.”
    Allison said, “I feel like I failed you.”
    Jaye said, “It’s nothing personal, but you’re ‘entitled to feel that way’ (throwing the DOS lingo back at Allison).
    Jaye did manage to get her car back. Allison gave her the keys but did not tell her where the car was. Jaye had to find it herself.”

    Shadow State’s Comment:

    Now to all you Allison Mack people who defend Pimp Mack:
    Aren’t you ashamed of defending a fiend like Allison Pimp Mack?
    A woman who exploits and manipulates other people for her own pecuniary and sexual benefit.
    Actaeon has mentioned that Mack sucked up half the tuition of every student in “The Source” acting school.
    And the evidence from Slave Jane points to Allison having sex with many of the slaves in her pod.

    “FR: You said Allison had several female slaves. Did Allison have sexual relationships with her female slaves?
    Jane: Yes.
    FR: How many slaves do you think she had?
    Jane: Mistress Ally has 12 slaves.”
    https://frankreport.com/2018/10/18/slave-tells-about-her-role-in-gbd-about-allison-kristin-kreuk-i-never-saw-kk-do-anything-illegal/

    “Oh, but Allison has such a pretty smile. She can’t be evil.”

    A shark has a pretty smile too with rows of nice white gleaming teeth.

    And the salient fact of NXIVM DOS, the sex slave cult, is that many of the top women in it were also into BDSM.
    A fact that I hope to address at a later date but here is a reminder of what I have written in the past about this subject.
    Guest View: The Real NXIVM, The Real Allison Mack
    https://frankreport.com/2018/10/23/guest-view-the-real-nxivm-the-real-allison-mack/

    • Those lines about Mack saying do it subtlely do give an impression that KR may not have known what was going on – that the women were serving up for the God what they thought he would want, an offering but without his even knowing it was contrived and instead he was made to think these women actually wanted him.

      That is probably untrue given all the other evidence, but not an impossible implication from some of the evidence given.

    • Shadow: I have always sided with you on the real Allison Mack, and you’re right. The more testimony/evidence that comes out, the more you were right all along about her. I hope the judge throws the full and maximum sentence at her.

      • Thank you, Somebody.
        Any cooperation Allison Mack gives is a drop in the bucket compared to the harm she has inflicted on women.
        And the same might be said for Clare, Nancy, Lauren and Kathy.

        • I think it may be fair to say – that you, Shadow, have been a tad bit over-the-top in your thousands of A. Mack takedowns. And I doubt you want us to pull up your old comments and start a running tally of where you were right & wrong.

          But I am a little surprised/amused that you are getting to bask in such glory. I thought the trial was going to go a lot worse for your narrative.

      • …… because of clear Bronfman’s plea deal I seriously doubt Allison Mack will get them maximum sentence.

        I don’t see how the judge could do that when Claire Bronfman in someways is more culpable then Allison Mack because Clare helped finance the whole thing.

        then again maybe I’m totally commenting out of my ass. 🙂

  • Unless one is a kill-able psychopath, Raniere’s plotting, fucking, demeaning, torturing and holding women and girls in contempt, becomes not only nauseating but tiring too.

  • Jaye has a strong backbone. I’m glad she escaped.

    Mack is a psychopath who needs to be locked away for as long as possible.

  • The longer this goes on, the worse it gets. The picture of Allison Mack that comes into focus during testimony is manipulative, cruel and devious. I loved her as Chloe, but Chloe was fictional and a good person. The real Allison (and Nancy and Lauren and Pam) seems just awful.
    I can’t imagine any female trusting her after hearing all this.

    • “Chloe was fictional and a good person.”

      Chloe was the creation of screenwriters.
      The real Allison Mack is as rotten as the real Keith Raniere.
      Allison Mack is Evil to the core and with a smile plastered on her face the whole time.

  • Yucko! The “assignment” is to seduce a smelly, pumpkinhead, hairy midget? That’s also limp?

    Jaye seems like the only slave with half a brain. She immediately said, “Fk this shit! Cya l8tr Bitches!”

    I like Jaye already. Pry the Smartest NXian Ever!!!

    • Yes, sensible her.
      I don’t understand why all these women wanted to be “badass”. It sounds a morally awful kind of person to be. Surely being a kind good person should be the aim – not some kind of awkward nasty difficult person.

  • I find it somewhat refreshing (in light of the other stories) that Jaye had enough self confidence to trust her own perceptions and completely see through the crazy manipulation. KR never got a chance to list her on his score card. It may have been the emotional wall she developed from past abuse that saved her from sinking further into the Nexie Nightmare. I wonder who paid the assigned penance for her departure.

  • KEITH kissing guys on the lips! Looks like he was serving some bi vibes!

    • Obviously, they all must have become close during the Circa-jerks! (Thanks for that image Niceguy!)

      • I am starting to believe the Society of Protectors was a whole lot more.

        sorry for the the visuals pyriel.

      • Dear Pyriel,
        It does seem like a great bonding experience. FYI I’m still waiting for Mitch, Omar, Frank, and Joe to invite me to their next rulerfest.
        Sincerely,
        Scott

        P.S. Scott is my real name. YOU are a COWARD for using a fake name.

        • Scott,

          Ruler night?……

          ……..What the hell? I thought it was dipstick night……

          …… I need my motor oil checked, I think I need a quart or two.

    • Looking at it that way, one thing that occurs to me is that sexual predators often victimize both sexes, not necessarily because they are bisexual, but because the crime is really about power and exploitation.

      Looking at it crudely – please excuse me in advance – Raniere maybe sort of got to say, hey, I’m going make you let me kiss you with the same mouth I’m eating your girlfriends’ and wives’ pussies with.

      • AnoyMaker,

        It is about sex.

        Any biologist or animal behaviorist willl tell you that all mammals practice various forms of sexual predation or assault.

        These behaviors are all various evolutionary reproductive strategies at play…….

        …………..When humans are involved in the same behaviors everyone claims, it’s not sexual or it’s not about sex or it’s all about power and exploitation…….

        …………..My personal belief is that rapists, pedophiles, and other people such as Keith Raniere, need to be tagged and bagged. Sexual predators need to be removed from society.

        There is no cure for rapists and pedophiles. They have a precondition and need to be identified and monitored for life.

        AnnoyMaker your giving an intellectual explanation to something that at its core is one of the most primitive instincts there is.

        Sick animals need be to quarantined or euthanized.

    • Perhaps Raniere was telling the truth when he said he jerked off with other guys and measured each others’ boners.

  • In fact, the thought is simple: everything Raniere does is for the best!
    Good faith will be the blue light!
    And the joy will taste like nectar

  • It’s interesting to see the example of one of the women who thought to do something proactive like taking a snapshot of Allison’s DropBox of collateral – but obviously that was rare.

    Anonyme/Frenchie may be upset at what this shows about their down-to-earth Ally, but here we see more of Mack’s dark underside that other accounts have pointed to as well:

    “Jaye hoped Allison would help her learn about the acting business. But she went from thinking that Allison was a good person, to later believing Allison was vindictive, hurtful, and manipulative.”

    “Jaye was told that her commitment would require a small tattoo. She never thought it would be a brand, with Keith’s initials.”

    “Jaye did manage to get her car back. Allison gave her the keys but did not tell her where the car was. Jaye had to find it herself.”

    • Mack was deeply involved, for a long time. She was truly Raniere’s lieutenant in all this, fully committed to serving him. As facts emerge in this trial, I’m seeing her less and less as a victim. Her petty nastiness (the business with Jay’s car a perfect example) shows a real cruelty in her character. She seems to have been motivated by a real hatred of the other women. She was a smooth and practiced liar, befriending recruits in a long and intricate web of lies until she they were well trapped. That takes commitment, that takes planning. She was vicious and unrelenting, merciless in her cruelty. She’s fully as despicable as Raniere; what’s remarkable is that while he was doing this for his own gratification, it seems she got little out of it other than the pleasure of double crossing her fellow women.

      • Allison Mack got a sense of power.
        Rapists don’t rape for sex.
        They rape to exercise power over another person.
        Think of Allison Mack as being a female rapist.
        And Mack did get to enjoy the female slaves when Raniere was not using them.

      • Acteon,

        Your astute observation or Grand Epiphany…….

        ……..”As facts emerge in this trial, I’m seeing her less and less as a victim”…….

        ……..Is something I can agree with you on.

        Personally, I am blown away by how wharped and sadistic she seems to be.

        Allison Mack may have well been evil before Keith Raniere came along……

        ……she just did have the opportunity to shine as a sadistic sick f*ck.

        In some ways she is more disturbing than Raniere.

        I expect men to behave like wretched animals, when it’s a woman it’s far more shocking.

        • “Personally, I am blown away by how wharped and sadistic she seems to be.
          Allison Mack may have well been evil before Keith Raniere came along……
          ……she just did have the opportunity to shine as a sadistic sick f*ck.”

          What have I been saying all along?

          • Shadowstate,

            Shadowstate, it’s fair to say you are right.

            Unfortunately, Allison Mack did not testify because she was unable to, refused to, or the prosecution was worried she could become a hostile witness and jeopardize the trial.

            I think everyone should always remember, including myself, that Keith Raniere said to Mark Vicente that he (Keith) was trying to break Allison Mack.

            Only Allison Mack and God know her true motivations.

            We will never know.

        • Women are much more evil than men.

      • I’m still willing to consider that she might have been somehow terribly manipulated – but that still would have had to involve exploiting weaknesses and even propensities that she had, such as the cruelty in her character that you refer to. Her willingness to engage in elaborate deception is also one of the things that bothers me most, and is hardest to explain.

        I’m hoping that we’ll get further testimony that will shed some real light on what was going on with her. Ideally, we’d hear her own testimony – however, it seems that we may not, and that itself may indicate that she doesn’t make a good witness because she’s still not really distanced herself from Raniere, and grown to have the sort of perspective that we have seen from others.

        We might also ultimately get indications from a sentencing report, that could be based in part on a psychological evaluation. I have a suspicion that after this sort of testimony, the judge is going to give her a sentence longer than the minimum range, figuring she is unlikely to appeal it as anyone reviewing what has been revealed about her might be harsher yet.

        That’s got to sting for someone who professed such high ideals, and whose parents are looking on, to be exposed and judged for involvement in such depraved behavior – and one does wonder where her parents were, until she was arrested and sent back to live with them.

        • What about India then? She was also like Allison?

          He said he (Raniere) wanted to break her and later said to Nicole the same and completed “to rebuild her”…

          He did it to Allison (and planned to do it to Nicole)…If you understood who it is working, you would understand that she didn’t have roots for this.
          People like Lauren didn’t need “reprogramming” because they had the root for this.

          Allison and the other are still clearly victims…This testimony doesn’t dig a bigger hole for Allison…and unfortunately, doesn’t really have anything to the case for Raniere.

        • Well put annoy maker

  • I think Agnifilo is realizing that asking the women how they felt at the time is backfiring. Or perhaps he knew this all along but Raniere told him to take this approach. It’s obvious the lies and collateral/blackmail shaped their impressions and how they acted (true acting).

    Also, India is no angel.

  • Someone please answer

    I really like Catherine Oxenberg, but truth be told – India’s actions in DOS are not that different than Allison’s. Of course, as a mother, you want to see your child as an innocent victim – but Catherine has demonized Allison for doing pretty much the same things India has done. India was ‘indoctrinated over a long period of time’ is her reasoning – yet so was Allison! The only differences were: 1. Allison had more slaves than India 2. Allison had slaves that succumbed to the blackmail.

    Was India not charged as CC2 because her slave didn’t go through with the seduction assignment? Or was she not charged because Catherine brought a bunch of evidence to authorities? Someone, please explain!

    The impression I have gotten is that India acted like a brat towards her mother and showed favor to her stepdad Casper since he supported India’s involvement in DOS.

    • Mack was Raniere’s henchwoman – picked by him over even Lauren Salzman – and the slavemistress of DOS; the one who ran the DropBox with all the collateral, for instance. She was much more a conspirator, perpetrator and instigator than Oxenberg, trafficking not only her own full pod of slaves that included India, but then all those beneath her as well.

  • From the NY Post:

    ‘Before she left, Jay said Mack asked her, “Are you saying you think I’m an accomplice to a child molester?’’

    “Yes,” Jay said she replied.’

    There is a small but important difference from the account given above, which omits Jay’s comeback. It shows real assertiveness on Jay’s part. I like Jay, she’s fierce. She’s badass. That “Yes” is a devastating comeback, one word that tells Mack she’s a monster, she’s a phony, she’s a liar. It lets Mack know the hard, ugly truth about herself, that she’s no feminist, she’s the opposite. Mack was never empowering women, it was all a lie; she was in fact victimizing women, trapping them and delivering them to an abuser, the the perverted man who was hiding behind the curtains. It lets Mack know that she was a pimp, a betrayer.

    That “yes” put Jay in charge, shifted the power dynamic. For once it was Mack who was in tears, her world collapsing. Jay was careful, she was meticulous, she got the Dropbox evidence, and then she turned the tables. She was then able to drop the bomb. It must have been a delicious moment, taking cold, careful revenge.

    With more women like Jay, Nxivm might have imploded sooner. With more women like Jay, the world would be a better place. The world needs people who stand up for themselves, who take responsibility, who take control the way she did. The world needs guts.

    • Actaeon, i appreciate that you recognized that, “YES”. It stood out to me too as a powerful moment. Thanks for your writing.

    • “That “Yes” is a devastating comeback, one word that tells Mack she’s a monster, she’s a phony, she’s a liar. It lets Mack know the hard, ugly truth about herself, that she’s no feminist, she’s the opposite. Mack was never empowering women, it was all a lie; she was in fact victimizing women, trapping them and delivering them to an abuser, ”
      ” It lets Mack know that she was a pimp, a betrayer.”

      Jaye’s testimony puts the LIE to Allison Mack’s allocution where she claims to know nothing about child abuse or the true nature to what services she was performing for Raniere.
      Allison Mack is now clearly a PIMP for a child molester.

      “You fucking bitch” (Jaye’s testimony) should be the epitaph to Allison Mack’s acting career and placed on Allison Mack’s tombstone.

      • No, it doesn’t …It just shows what Jaye believed. Moron!

        The reality is Allison was not believing the child molesting part (as no charge were ever placed against Raniere until recently).
        She is clearly NOT a pimp for a child molester.

        BTW it’s the second time you talked about Allison’s epitaph. Be really careful about what you say sicko!

        Nothing said in Jaye’s testimony proves anything you want to demonstrate…and you willingly put aside the fact that it was INDIA’s slave before anything!
        The act of care and readiness for India? do we talk about that?

        But wait, Cat said that…Cat knows nothing. she only cares about her book and that’s it.

    • While I agree that the YES would be a devastating comeback, it doesn’t prove she is a liar, a phony or a monster…

      Just that some people perceive her like that.

      She was certainly not a pimp, and that is a fact.

      Oh and Nypost has tempered with several things said in the court (especially at Allison charge) as seen when compared to the transcript of the court…So I’ll wait for the transcript to see if it’s true.

      Nypost doesn’t have the reputation to be unbiased (like most media…As long as human are involved).

  • Very interesting. The fact the collateral was in a drop box that others could see is really bad practice not going to be sensible even for the group itself (never mind probably breaching the law of confidentiality – they did not consent to anyone other than their specific “master” keeping it I assume). Wise of her to leave.

  • Keith kissed men? Why am I not surprised?

    • Somebody,

      I have trouble believing that that fact is true.

      Frank has reported prior to the trial on most of the salacious elements going on within NXVIM.

      I do not believe Parlato missed that story. Maybe she did not see what she thought she did.

  • Sex with slaves who were gagging the whole time could not have been that great. Then again, I don’t think Keith cared. I would have. I would feel sick inside knowing the woman I am having sex with was only doing it through blackmail. And she was wrenching the whole time through it.

  • Go, Jaye!!!

  • Allison was upset. She said, ”Do you think I would follow a child molester?”

    There you go. Testimony from one of her own victims that she didn’t know Keith was a pedo. Someone who probably despises her and has no reason to lie about it, has indicated that she didn’t know. After a year of people screaming about her helping traffic children, we have solid evidence that she does NOT approve of sex with children. So can we put that to rest?

    We know what she did. She pressured an adult woman, or possibly two, into having sex with Keith. She also deceived them about what DOS was. It was a shitty thing to do. But you know what? She plead guilty. She admitted that she finally understands that following Keith’s philosophy was a mistake. And she even apologized to the victims, which none of the other women could manage.

    So really, there are far worse crimes than she committed, and there are far worse people than her. Ok? So stop saying she deserves 40 years in prison. It just makes you sound like a piece of shit too.

    • “There you go. Testimony from one of her own victims that she didn’t know Keith was a pedo. Someone who probably despises her and has no reason to lie about it, has indicated that she didn’t know.”

      Max, A more plausible explanation is that Allison Pimp Mack was LYING.
      Jaye used Google to quickly discover that Raniere is a child molester.
      And even after being confronted by Jaye with that fact in 2016, Allison Pimp Mack continued to support Raniere.

      • Shadowstate,

        Barbara Bouchey’s story about the volleyball makeout session with Raniere and underage Cami put all of the members of Nxivm at the volleyball court on notice.

        The volleyball story showed Keith Raniere is a pedophile.

        None of the people at the volleyball game can claim ignorance……

        ……I am sure other people heard about the story as well.

        Cami showed up wearing a red dress, red high heel shoes, and red lipstick.

        Think about that visual.

        A middle-aged man publicly making out with an underage girl.

        It’s disgusting.

        I wish Barbara provided a list of those in attendance.

    • I don’t think that a single reported utterance can be taken as a conclusive indicator of anything – and particularly not when coming from a professional actress with a propensity for manipulating others.

      Also, Mack as a follower of Raniere probably also bought into his rationalization that sex with girls old enough to menstruate was not child molestation. And, from what I can figure, she herself, when she was 15 or 16, was involved in the beginning of a long-term relationship with a man several years older than her, enough so that any intercourse would have constituted statutory rape for the first two or three years they were together – and his father was a convicted pedophile, to boot, so who knows what she normalized.

  • So Keith Raniere became a Messiah of sorts?

    “Jaye observed that everyone kissed Keith on the lips — including the men. People would give him gifts of chocolate, candy, fruit and other items.”

    ********

    Male lip kissing?

    I am not a homophobe, but WTF?

    Is the men tongue kissing him true?

    Maybe as Krclaviger was informed by sources, Vanguard does enjoy the MDC cavity searches after all…….

    ……It’s the only action Keith is getting now. 😉

    You people who doubted Krclaviger need to apologize!!!!!

    Bangkok I mean you!!!! YOU LITTLE DiCK Bangkok.

  • Keirh even stole the phrase “I’m sorry you feel that way.”
    Aint’t nuttin original about this guy.

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