By Shivani
Reading Daniela’s testimony consecutively has much more impact than reading it piecemeal. Her time as a witness on the stand has been honest, detailed and powerful. What a long, hard trip it has been for Daniela. She is now a genuine example of strength, probably strength that she had to keep mustering over and over again, all on her own and against horrible odds.
These Nxivm/ DOS sickos schemed and conspired to destroy the last of her adolescence and to divide and conquer her family. Yet, she has worked hard not only to make a life for herself but has had the courage to come and testify with tremendous, intelligent conscientiousness.
It’s incredible to even try justifying such abuse and torment being dealt out by Raniere and his worshipful groupies, including Daniela’s parents, as minions who didn’t bother to love or watch over the wellbeing of their own four children.
Three daughters were doled out to Raniere to satisfy his perversions, which will never be satisfied. That is part of his pathology, that Raniere would be compelled to keep escalating. Any fool can see that the manufactured self-help movement acted as a profitable front to recruit new flesh and to cover for Raniere’s perversions. And Raniere couldn’t keep his shitheap behind closed doors, so he’s in captivity, as befits him.
Agnifilo and Raniere’s whole defense team have to know that they are attempting to defend the indefensible. We have heard that Agnifilo tried and tried to get Raniere to cop a plea. That has not been hidden, so even Agnifilo holds the awareness that his client and his entire inner cult are criminally guilty.
Why bother with any more adversarial cross-examination?
Agnifilo went down that road already and was stopped from badgering (the guilty) Lauren Salzman, after ignoring warnings from the bench. Maybe he ought to ask Raniere to eat his fucking post-it notes. Even Agnifilo can see Raniere’s constant compulsion to have the last word for what it is, the desperate ramblings of megalomania. The defense team doesn’t need to bother to embarrass itself any more than already has. Raniere is another Charles Manson, only with mo’ money.
23 commentsOn Shivani: Daniela Was Honest, Detailed, Powerful; Raniere Another Manson With Money
So true.
For the Bronfmans, Salzmans, Russell, Mack to deny knowledge of what was being done is outrageous, if they should do so, ever.
Nancy still resides in Halfmoon, Brandon Porter, and his wife in Waterford.
Keep that in mind, folks. They are your neighbors. Guard yourself, and your families from these perverts.
Frankly, I want to see feminists, the me-too movement, all those celebrities who virtue signal, to speak out against NXIVM.
Oh, wait. Silly me. All they do is wear black dresses, virtue signal and stand with antisemites.
Hey, no one supports the actions of the Nxivm criminals and they have been condemned in both the conservative and liberal press. Without the New York Times highlighting the abuses, there would be no indictments.
What disturbs me is your signaling out feminists and me-too supporters that have fought for and protected the rights of women. And, neither conservative or liberal stands with anti-semites or any other form of racial, ethnic or religious hatred. Perhaps, you should look inside to your own resentments and hatreds?
The point is, where are the feminists and “me too” crowd when it comes to NXIVM? I have no doubt they would be up in arms if NXIVM were led by a conservative nutjob.
Well, then why aren’t conservatives up in arms over NXIVM, if it was as simple as ideology, and the group being lead by a liberal nutjub?
As I remarked in another comment, NXIVM is simply not a big enough deal for figures or movements of any stripe, to comment on or try to hold out as an example.
Also, Raniere is awkward to peg ideologically. He ran his inner circle more like the FDLS, promoted ideas of female subservience that are essentially “traditional,” and based his ideology on Ayn Rayn – including using “socialist” as a term of derision. It could even be argued that he was a conservative nutjob in wolf’s clothing, luring what was probably a center-left leaning demographic that he attracted, to the right ideologically.
you realize both feminizism and me too movement are cia clown operations and as such will never cross a limited hangout also cia
cya
honk honk
Everything is CIA. Right, Frank?
Chicky Rogue,
The CIA is running MeToo?
If the CIA and the DeepState were actually controlling everything Trump never would have become President of the United States……
…… Hillary would have won or the socialist Bernie Sanders.
BTW the majority of CIA and FBI agents are all Republicans like myself.
Scott,
Where is MeToo?
NXIVM is almost entirely women abusing other women.
No other men were actually involved really in most of the major crimes besides Raniere.
Not MeToo cause.
Women helped to enslave women in Nxivm.
well said DA
Hear, hear!
We might as well ask to see the “family values” people speak up, too – though they’ve kind of been absent from the national conversation lately, perhaps because it’s not particularly expedient to beat that particular drum at the moment.
This also sort of the tempest in a teapot phenomenon. Some of us rightly find NXIVM an interesting case, that may have some broader implications. But in the big picture, it’s a tiny aberration. Movements with real agendas, have more important issues to address.
The “family values” crowd is who has him at the trial.
g just was pointing out that Hollywood celebrities tend to speak out passionately about the me too movement and that their politics are largely liberal. That tends to include people that do things like speak out against Israel and boycott products from Israel. People with that POV from what I have observed are generally liberal. And many celebrities have jumped on that band wagon. Some people conclude that those actions are anti-semitic.
I agree with Anonymaker that NXIVM from a larger perspective is a tiny aberration. I don’t think — at this point anyway- that it’s enough of a “thing” to attract a Hollywood movement. It was an isolated group with a couple not that well known actresses who got involved.
ask, IF you know that anti-Semitism is a term that does not mean “anti-Jewish or anti-Israel” since the Semites are many people that include Israel and the Jewish people, but they are mostly Muslims, so why do people cling to terms like “anti-Semitic” as an excuse to criticize those who for the most part do not hate Jews just for questioning the policies of the government of Israel.
Bronfman Salzman and russell…maybe but Allison was NOT living in Knoxwood back when it happened in 2012…She was still in Brooklyn.
You’ll notice that Dani spoke of most of those people but never about Allison…but , of course, that doesn’t matter…She must have known.
You can’t stop making up stories…just can’t, you have to avoid the facts.
Whether it was Manson, or is currently MLM scams, Scientology, Nation of Islam, or NXIVM, they all prey on the younger crowd: https://tonyortega.org/2019/06/04/why-is-the-ymca-helping-spread-scientology-to-kids/ Why didn’t Raniere think of the YMCA angle to target little boys and girls? After all, he is the smartest man in the world.
Avenatti’s law license suspended
https://mol.im/a/7101871
thanks, Pyriel
Our Resident Super Freak and Sex Machine Kathy ‘Spank my Heine’ Russell is now denying the entire thing.
https://nypost.com/2019/06/03/apartment-rented-by-nxivm-exec-was-actually-used-for-sex-slave/
Of course, she HAD NO IDEA and NEVER SAW ANYTHING NEFARIOUS.
Sure, Whatevs SEX MACHINE
Russell was too busy with her lips around the Limp One.
We’ve actuallly seen evidence that Raniere was rather adept at compartmentalizing information, as part of his strategy of manipulation. It’s actually somewhat typical of the inner workings of cults, that even people fairly high up or close in are kept in the dark about the sort of things that it might be assumed they would know about. From other accounts, Russell in particular was not highly regarded, but used to do a lot of dirty work.
Shivani, although your argument is honest, you stand on the reality of your arguments.
1-to start DOS was not something that Danie knew and was part of, since it did not exist yet.
2-Lauren’s testimony as Danie shows us how KAR handled all people ie he always kept them divided and with little knowledge, Danie said that the woman named Barbara Bouchey was not part of the inner circle of KAR and that’s why he did not have access all the time to his sexual lair.
This shows us that only women who were in a position to obey without objection had access to KAR and those that were not of this profile should be handled with a particular strategy, basically the old trick of ”
DIVIDE AND WIN.
3- several of the more famous DOS members such as Allison Mack, apparently were not part of the intimate circle at the time Danie was at the side of KAR, and by some of Frank’s own publications on Allison, indicate that she never I had access to KAR, which shows the point that all the actions carried out by KAR and the knowledge of these actions were not being known by all the members of their haren, danie also spoke about the women that KAR used to control to other women, and I mention Lauren, her mother Nancy which makes sense since the two of them were the best trainers after KAR or in other words (the best ones after the one in manipulating people) and Pam was also cafrithz that according to Danie’s testimony was her main pump deactivator. this is why I do not think that everyone was willing to destroy Danie, no more than her own relatives were commiters or themselves who having the exit all the time in front of her chose to continue giving KAR power over her life and not me I refer only to the door of his room that was open, if not to not tell the truth from the beginning something with what KAR always counts to manipulate his slaves his own GUILT AND SHAME.
Manson gathered young people, mostly female, around him by paying attention to them, providing a sense of identity and of belonging to a group which became an all-encompassing substitute family. “Come follow me.” And so a little troupe was woven together, a commune of lost and found “lonely hearts” for Charles Manson to use according to his own extremely disorganized mind, to feed his fantasies and to uphold (at last!) his power-starved ego. Manson made his followers feel like an “us” and encouraged his people to see everyone else as “them.” This is habitual cult inculcation, to build an “us” and a big bad “them.”
Implement a delusionary sense of separatism, specialness, even elitism within the very fiber of the group. Explain that the group’s higher cause (what sucker doesn’t want a fucking “higher” cause?) makes it above all laws, meanwhile enforce ever-increasing, radical requirements for group loyalty. Beneath it all, this “THEM” of Manson’s was his own personally conceptualized enemy. The enemy which “would be” eliminated was Manson’s ideation of the establishment, the unjust rulers of the world.
Manson fantasized that he would be the leader of a revolution. That is, unless he was too busy taking acid and getting sexual action. Then the revolution would just have to wait for him to come down, maybe have a few cigarettes. Manson never had a clue that he was making an uneducated overestimation of his own intelligence. Like Raniere’s clique, Manson’s group lied and stole for him, pimped and whored for him and adulated him as their leader. Back when Jimi Hendrix was a big star, one of his groupies tried to recruit me (still a kid) with mystical babble and sexual innuendo to get me to meet Jimi. She acted loony, obsessed, superior and vulgar, as if she had the prize bull and just had to share him. That’s how classy the groupies surrounding Raniere were too. Lying, stealing, pimping, whoring and whatever else their tricky Dickie advised.
These fearless leaders, Raniere and Manson. One hid in a closet during his arrest, and the other hid in a cabinet underneath a bathroom sink. Neither had a single shred of common sense, these two madhatters. Yet each Creepboy gathered a groupie crew of blind worshippers and amongst the crew, the closer the relationship with the leader became, the more criminal the behavior became, whether tangentially or deliberately. Allison Mack was well on her way to being a violent sidekick à la Susan Atkins. Now she has conspicuous infamy and awaits sentencing in a notorious crime case. Nancy Salzman could’ve driven the getaway car for her Vanguard as he wet his pants in the trunk. She never looked happier than when plastered to his side like a dowager frump with fictitious credentials. Grinning like a besotted jackass. Clare Bronfman could’ve given the uncouth Patricia Krenwinkle instructions on how to be more viciously successful.
Manson was the undisputed leader of his commune and was sexually involved with many of the group’s young women. Manson was crude and without education but was adept at manipulating emotions and influencing his group’s ideas and concepts, both personally and socially. These weren’t business people or college graduates but sixties dropout, young hippie freaks who lived on the outskirts of more conventional society, and the group was poor, very poor, financially. There was lots of petty theft and vehicles were stolen, just to get enough food for any given week. There were also *suspicious deaths* within and around the group before they started their major murder sprees. Some of these other crimes were prosecuted and some have remained unprosecuted.
With Raniere, we see more of a schoolboy businessy nerd than a hippie freak like Manson, who learned the ropes in juvenile detention and in prison. Raniere was able to receive more education than Manson and to fabricate a more socially “acceptable” self-help front, with more status, more commodious surroundings and thus, a better exterior image than Manson’s small, raggle-taggle commune. Nevertheless, Manson’s group did recruit for more members, especially when anyone came along who had a fat wallet. Manson wrote songs and had no business acumen beyond a hokey, bottomfeeding range of criminality. Raniere just had better looking frosting atop his shitcake. But behind closed doors, the group dynamics are much alike, with one very lost and foul man getting exactly what he thought that he wanted from being a pied piper, offering unity but delivering a crazed dictatorship with tragic results.
Where there is great similarity between Raniere and Manson is that both men were able to attract loyal, awestruck devotees who were receptively vulnerable to a finding a new sense of belonging, people who were willing to become increasingly enmeshed and even to obey commands. And each group was entangled sexually. After awhile the main group around Raniere formed a few secretive little suballiances and bubbles around themselves, at Raniere’s direction. It is much easier to deftly pluck away at peoples’ consciences inside isolated bubbles. Raniere began his own Swan Song by spreading himself out too insistently, for too long and amongst too many. He achieved no unity though, and none of his mules ever got their promised carrot. Instead they got misery, splintered and competitive sexual displays and criminal dissolution.
Raniere is more fanatical than Manson, who was a snaggle-toothed hobo ex-con with far flimsier expectations. Raniere’s need for control has had much wider intellectual borders, embellishments. He repopped a lot of Scientology’s slicker grade of horseshit dipped in fool’s gold. Manson only had soggy chewin’ tobaccy and he scrounged for LSD. Therefore Raniere’s audience has been wider and more receptive to Nxivm’s attractive outer fringes of altruism and prosperity. No one would look at Manson when he was living and think ” executive success.”
Now Raniere is stuck, but his inner Manson is not ready or fit for prison life. Raniere is locked up like a rat in a series of cages. He gets escorted around looking scruffier and more frantic each time he appears in court. His glasses don’t fit and he isn’t allowed to sharpen pencils. Right on his couch he used to be able to take out his schlong during a business meeting and get a nice blowjob or two while he grunted like a pig at anyone who approached the fridge. He used to be able to multi-task. Now he gets reprimanded for whispering too loudly.
Both Manson and Raniere used the ancient weapon of psycho-sexual terrorism to influence, to control, to punish, to reward, to attract, to create a climate of distraction and emotional chaos, to enslave and to blackmail the ones reluctant to be commanded. The outer shell is, “I’m all about love and your awakening.” Later you get to the inner shell of the flim-flam. Your Great One, perhaps anointed with commingled, now-sacred and Avatarish jizzum, tells you “everything that bothers you is all your fault.” Om, peace and bloody fucking amen. There have been fake female guru-types, too. I’ve known two personally, and they were every bit as adored, predatorial and dictatorial as Nxivm’s very own Chuckie.
You know, “Officer Krupke, we’re very upset. We never had the love that every child oughta get. We ain’t no delinquents. We’re misunderstood. Deep down inside us there is good.” What other defense is there besides begging with the”we are misunderstood victims” card?
When I was a teenager, my future father-in-law had an office in the L.A. County Courthouse, and his son and I went to meet him there for lunch often. One unforgettable day we saw the Manson girls sitting outside the courthouse as the big trial was ongoing inside. These women were noisy and spaced-out and vulgar but probably didn’t know it. They sported new freshly-hewn third-eye tattoos and sat in the courtyard, one with a guitar. After a few days of the Manson girls there singing and acting blissed-out, preaching to passers-by, the girls were forbidden to be loiter there anymore. They were seriously euphoric, lovey-dovey, trying to be kind of whorishly inviting. You’d never have dreamed there had been any murder scenes at Cielo Drive or over in Los Feliz. Just one big happy family.
sidenote to Mr. Parlato. I’m a big mouth when writing. Forgive and forget? I will still be part of your audience, even when the drumbeats stop echoing through the jungle. This is the life!
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