Nancy Salzman and Kathy Russell Seek Permission From Judge to Meet Socially

In News, NXIVM
Kathy and Nancy want to resume their friendship. And Nancy wants to see more of her parents.
Travel requests came to U.S. District Court Judge Nicholas G. Garaufis from both Nancy Salzman and Kathy Russell this week.  Each has pleaded guilty to a single felony count in the case of USA v Raniere.  It is not known if either will be called as witnesses.
Russell made a formal request to the judge that he allow her to meet socially with Nancy Salzman.  This would require a modification of both Russell and Salzman’s bail conditions since neither is allowed to communicate with each other [or any Nxivm leaders] outside the presence of counsel.
They want to be able to meet alone and spend time together – primarily by day – since both are on home detention which requires them to be in their own homes each night by early evening.
Russell’s lawyer, Justine Harris, wrote the judge, “The two have been close for many years, and now that both have pled guilty, wish to interact socially. Ms. Russell will be moving to Georgia shortly and would greatly appreciate time to visit with Ms. Salzman before then.”
Kathy Russell left her home and young son in Alaska to be a part of Nxivm in Albany in the early 2000s. She now ends her long tenure with Nxivm – where she served as bookkeeper and part of Keith Raniere’s harem. She will be moving to Georgia soon to find work (Her sister lives there). Later this year, she will face sentencing for her crime. Her sentencing guidelines call for a sentence of six months to one year in prison.
Kathy is under the supervision of Pretrial Services prior to sentencing. That department does not object to her request, according to Harris.
Perhaps more significantly, the government, by AUSA Moira Penza, does not object to her request “as long as Ms. Russell and Ms. Salzman do not discuss the trial,” according to the letter filed with the court.
The fact that the prosecution does not object does not tell us if one, or both of them will be called to testify in the trial of Keith Raniere. If they will testify at all, it will be on behalf of the prosecution.
The request is open-ended, which means they can have as many trips/meetings as they want with each other.
It seems likely the judge will grant Russell’s request.

Nancy Salzman has also requested a modification of her bail conditions. She wishes to be permitted to travel to New Jersey for the purpose of visiting her parents without having to get the judge’s permission each time she wishes to go.

If the judge grants her request, she would still have to obtain permission from Pretrial Services in advance of any visit to her parents and inform Pretrial of her times of departure and return.

The government does not object to this request, which suggests this is likely to be granted.  Nancy’s parents are elderly [I am told in their 90s]. She is scheduled to be sentenced in July and may wind up in prison for several years.

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32 commentsOn Nancy Salzman and Kathy Russell Seek Permission From Judge to Meet Socially

  • Unrelated to this article, but just read this: and it is absolute garbage.

    Who are these “sources”- Susan Dones said 2009, these “sources” say summer of 2012. Other “sources” say 2013. They are all full of shit. Kreuk stayed on much longer than this.

    • Sara Edmondson also says Kreuk left in 2013, and as the head of the Vancouver center she is the one in the best position to know. Do you have some specific or corroborated evidence to the contrary – and can you explain why Edmondson would be providing incorrect information-

      linked from:

      • She was coaching in Vancouver with Lucas in 2015. Fact.

        • Evidence- Eyewitnesses-

          And how do you explain that Edmondson, who was running things, says otherwise-

          • It’s possible that Edmondson just has Kreuk’s back, particularly if for instance she just returned to coach one time.

            But then there are still Frank’s 3 sources, and his sources usually get it right, especially if 2 or more agree.

            And there are still no details or evidence to support the claim otherwise, so it’s the most weakly supported of the possibilities.

          • Why would she return once if she left- Especially after a claim of being out two years before- Nope, she was just filming a tv show between 2012-15.

            Also, sources have made contradictory comments.

          • Since when you care about evidence- you only care about BS…

      • The left wing nut Sultan of stalk is back pushing his usual jibbershit.

    • Dones didn’t give a year. She said Kristin Crook left “shorty” after she did. So far, all we have is naked claims, and absolutely zero evidence of when Crook left.

    • Who are these “sources”?

      The article says who they are…high ranking insiders, verified by Frank.

      You say: “Kreuk stayed on much longer than this.” Who are your sources-

      • The Beetle Can't Help Itself

        Don’t ignore what was said sultan of stalk.

        Susan Dones said 2009, which is a lie.

        A bunch of “sources” told Frank she left in the summer of 2012, which is a lie.

        Some other “sources” told Frank a year later. Lies.

        Another told the press she left because of rumors of a “sex cult”, not because of pedophilia or acting commitments.

        All are “sources” giving contradicting reasons and dates.

        So, how much have you jacked off in the last 24 hours to the woman who wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire, you insufferable little skid mark-

    • Check out the comment by the psycho babbler.

      • Spanky Goes To Bollywood

        You smelt the beetle fumes too huh- That is low testosterone jizz, eastern spices, cous cous and chemicals that go BOOM!

      • Frank, can you create a forum for all these Kreuk obsessed morons please- That is such a boring issue that some teen minded folks like to mastubate on, even when it is so out of line (99% of the time at least). Those morons should have their own forum to persue their own small universe centered on an almost unknown actress nobody cares about.

        • While indeed Kristin Kreuk is useless, she used her name to legitimise the cult. Even after ending up in the pedo expose, a lawsuit etc, she stayed on. She never once used her fame to condemn the cult. And, she lied about leaving. And it got this far.

          • If she left in 2013, that was more or less after the pedo expose – and we have yet to see any evidence for the claim that she lied about that, while there are multiple, knowledgeable and reliable sources supporting the 2013 date.

            It’s indeed all tiresome and trivial, based on a strange obsession with her alone when others are are being virtually ignored, and ought to be kept to some sort of fan/hater forum.

          • Boooring.

          • Anonymaker: and once again, you have your own agenda…You also fail to prove the contrary…The source in question are more than disputable.

            Oh and you sure know you what you are talking about when it comes to obsession…that is a fact

          • It’s up to those making the claim that Kreuk was involved in NXIVM after 2013, which she states and others corroborate, to come up with proof for it. The burden of proof is on the claimant, not on others to disprove it.

            My only agenda regarding here is that I’m tired of hearing about someone who is relatively unimportant in the big picture, and interested in exposing the cultish thinking of those who are obsessed with her. But you can see hidden motives and conspiracies wherever you want to, that’s the culty mindset.

          • FYI, I am not Anonymous May 17, 2019 at 2:12 am

        • LOL Alex!!!!!!

  • People who don’t behave as adults should, i.e. obeying the law, respecting others, etc., should NOT be trusted to move about freely without supervision. So, Ms. Salzman should be required to seek the judges permission for travel, every time.

  • I would not grant them any permissions no matter what reasons they invented and regardless of any consequences they would face! They’ve demonstrated themselves beyond any doubt to be chronic and extremely stubborn liars. Winston Churchill’s meme stands most relevant here: “Whoever will rat you once will rat you twice.” Besides, we must love Nancy for her cynicism, complete contempt of most other humans including her own daughters (by pawning their vaginas to the Saviour of the Galaxy), completely wilful behaviour to inflict maximum pain she was personally able to exert unto others and, for her astounding acts of perversion by manipulating, lying, concocting all sorts of abominable acts in the realm of interpersonal relations. Normally, she should be executed by firing squad as part of a sentence without any right of appeal and no lag time from the sentencing date, ie. same day as the passing of the sentence!!!

  • Knowing what Nancy is and what she has done and what she believes in makes me sick just looking at her face. Her face makes me ill. It is angering that her sentence will be so light. She deserves prison for the rest of her life.

  • Nancy Salzman is not deserving of any kind of leniency, whatsoever.

    After Keith Raniere, Nancy Salzman is the most culpable and duplicitous out of all the defendants.

  • Why not just give them a champagne lunch, a bouquet of flowers and a kiss on each of their heads! They pled “guilty” to far lesser charges than were originally sought. They get to be at home, rather than in jail. But oh, the poor dears want to resume their friendship. Couldn’t they do that if they were both assigned to the same jail-

  • orangecountydreams - OCD

    So they’re still “close friends” even after Nancy had Kathy doing gardening work as some form of punishment- Sounds like BS.

    It’s also ridiculous to think they won’t discuss the trial.

    • ORANGE County Dreams,

      I could not possibly agree more with you.

      What do you think Nancy and Kathy are up to-

      My simple theory:

      I think that Kathy and Nancy have some cash$ between them saved/hiden and that Kathy knew about the money so Nancy cut Kathy in.
      My guess is that Nancy is worried that her internet or phones are being monitored by the FBI.


      There is still a boat load of Keith Raniere’s money stashed out there somewhere…..

      Where is the money-

  • What a swell daughter Nancy is, taking money from her aged parents for bail.

    If she truly loved them, she would have foregone bail and stayed in jail.

    I bet Dr. Salzman is glad he shed her years ago.

    Her neighbors in Halfmoon certainly won’t befriend Nancy and Clare abandoned her long ago. So all she has is Kathy.

    Aaah! Will it be a sapphic romance-

    God. Ya couldn’t invent these trashy criminals, could ya-

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